Job 8:4 kjv
If thy children have sinned against him, and he have cast them away for their transgression;
Job 8:4 nkjv
If your sons have sinned against Him, He has cast them away for their transgression.
Job 8:4 niv
When your children sinned against him, he gave them over to the penalty of their sin.
Job 8:4 esv
If your children have sinned against him, he has delivered them into the hand of their transgression.
Job 8:4 nlt
Your children must have sinned against him,
so their punishment was well deserved.
Job 8 4 Cross References
Verse | Text | Reference |
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Retribution Theology (Cause and Effect) | ||
Dt 28:15 | But if you will not obey the voice of the Lᴏʀᴅ your God… curses… will come | Consequences for disobedience. |
Lev 26:14 | But if you will not listen to me… and if you spurn my statutes… | Divine punishment for covenant disobedience. |
Ps 37:9-10 | For the evildoers shall be cut off, but those who wait for the Lᴏʀᴅ... | The wicked perish, righteous inherit. |
Prov 10:27 | The fear of the Lᴏʀᴅ prolongs life, but the years of the wicked will be.. | Piety brings life, wickedness brings brevity. |
Prov 13:21 | Disaster pursues sinners, but the righteous are rewarded with good. | Evil follows sin, good follows righteousness. |
Rom 6:23 | For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life... | Sin's ultimate outcome is death. |
Gal 6:7 | Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he | Principle of reaping what is sown. |
Heb 10:31 | It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. | The fearfulness of divine judgment. |
Challenging/Nuancing Retribution Theology | ||
Job 2:3 | There is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man… yet.. | God Himself affirms Job's innocence despite suffering. |
Job 42:7 | ...you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has. | God rebukes the friends for their inaccurate theology. |
Ps 73:2-3 | But as for me, my feet had almost stumbled… for I was envious of the… | Pondering why the wicked prosper. |
Jer 12:1 | Righteous are you, O Lᴏʀᴅ… Yet I would plead my case before you. Why does… | Jeremiah questions God about the prosperity of the wicked. |
Ecc 9:2 | It is the same for all… The same fate awaits everyone… | Life's randomness challenges simple retribution. |
Lk 13:1-5 | Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all… | Jesus rejects direct link between suffering and specific sin. |
Jn 9:2-3 | And His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, | Jesus refutes cause-effect sin for the blind man's condition. |
1 Pet 4:12-19 | Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial… but rejoice… | Suffering for righteousness' sake is not always due to personal sin. |
Sin and Accountability (Intergenerational vs. Individual) | ||
Ex 20:5 | You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lᴏʀᴅ your God am.. | Punishing sin to 3rd/4th generation for those who hate God. |
Eze 18:20 | The soul who sins shall die. A son will not be punished for his father’s.. | Individual responsibility for sin, direct counter to common belief. |
Divine Justice & Sovereignty | ||
Gen 18:25 | Far be it from you to do such a thing, to put the righteous to death with… | Abraham appeals to God's just character. |
Ps 145:17 | The Lᴏʀᴅ is righteous in all his ways and kind in all his works. | Affirmation of God's just and kind nature. |
Rom 1:18 | For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and.. | God's wrath against unrighteousness. |
Job 8 verses
Job 8 4 Meaning
Job 8:4 presents Bildad's stark theological assertion to Job, proposing that the tragic death of Job's children was a direct consequence of their personal sin against God. Bildad's perspective aligns with the common retribution theology of his day, which posited a straightforward cause-and-effect relationship between righteous behavior and blessing, and sin leading directly to divine punishment and suffering. In this verse, he suggests that if Job's children "sinned" or "missed the mark," God, being just, actively "cast them away" or "removed them" due to their "transgression" or rebellious acts, thereby explaining their destruction. This accusation serves as Bildad's interpretation of Job's calamity and an indirect call for Job to repent, implying Job's own suffering is likewise deserved.
Job 8 4 Context
Job 8:4 is situated within the first discourse of Bildad the Shuhite, one of Job's three friends. After Job laments his tragic fate and curses the day he was born (Job 3), Bildad, like Eliphaz before him, responds with a stern rebuke. Bildad's central argument throughout chapter 8 is that God is perfectly just and does not pervert judgment (Job 8:3). Therefore, he reasons, if calamity has struck Job, particularly the death of his children and the ruin of his fortunes, it must be due to Job's sin or the sin of his children. Bildad reinforces this "traditional wisdom" by invoking common ancient Near Eastern imagery of reeds thriving in water but perishing when dry, equating spiritual flourishing with obedience and decay with wickedness (Job 8:11-19). This specific verse directly addresses Job's children, harshly concluding that their sudden destruction was divine retribution for their specific transgressions, thereby absolving God of any perceived injustice while simultaneously blaming the victims. This entire context is crucial because the book of Job as a whole ultimately challenges and refutes this simplistic, rigid application of retribution theology, demonstrating that suffering does not always equate to specific sin.
Job 8 4 Word analysis
- If: This introductory word, though presenting a conditional "if" (אִם - ʾim), functions here more as a rhetorical concession leading to a certain conclusion. Bildad uses it to imply that the premise of his statement (the children's sin) is undoubtedly true in light of their fate, rather than suggesting it is merely a possibility.
- your children (בָּנֶיךָ - bāneykā): Refers to Job's seven sons and three daughters who perished in a sudden windstorm (Job 1:18-19). Bildad brings up their fate, which Job mourned deeply, as evidence for his theological framework. The use of "your" makes it a deeply personal and painful accusation for Job.
- have sinned (חָטְאוּ - ḥāṭəʾû from חָטָא - ḥāṭāʾ): This Hebrew verb means to miss the mark, err, go astray, offend, or incur guilt. In this context, it implies wrongdoing or a failure to meet God's standard. Bildad assumes this guilt to be certain, even if unknown to Job, due to the consequence (death).
- against him: "Him" refers unequivocally to God. This signifies that the transgression was a direct offense against the Divine, warranting direct divine judgment. It emphasizes God's sovereign role in dispensing justice.
- then: (וַיְשַׁלְּחֵם - wayəšalləḥêm, integrated with the following verb, an idiomatic way of showing immediate consequence) This particle indicates the direct, causal consequence following the "if" clause. For Bildad, God's actions are a logical and immediate reaction to the children's supposed sin.
- he has cast them away (וַיְשַׁלְּחֵם - wayəšalləḥêm from שָׁלַח - šālaḥ): This verb means to send away, dismiss, drive out, or send forth. Here, it implies an active, deliberate expulsion or removal by God. Bildad portrays God as the direct agent of their destruction, an intentional act of judgment. The immediacy of the Hebrew perfect tense ("has cast away") emphasizes this decisive divine action.
- for their transgression (בְּפִשְׁעָם - bəp̄išeʿām from פֶּשַׁע - pešaʿ): The noun pešaʿ (transgression) often signifies a more deliberate or rebellious act against God or covenant, a "trespass," "rebellion," or "revolt," stronger than mere "sin." The preposition bĕ- (for, because of) makes it a direct causal link. This word choice emphasizes Bildad's view that the children's death was not random but a precise punishment for specific, grievous wrongdoing.
Words-group analysis:
- "If your children have sinned against him": This phrase directly confronts Job with the presumed guilt of his deceased children. Bildad implies a moral culpability on their part that justifies their demise, essentially saying "if (and by implication, since) your children sinned, then it logically follows..." It highlights the ancient belief in collective or familial responsibility, though primarily emphasizing their individual sin.
- "then he has cast them away for their transgression": This group powerfully connects divine action ("he has cast them away") directly to human wrongdoing ("for their transgression"). It presents a rigid, deterministic view of divine justice, where consequences are always perfectly proportionate and immediate. For Bildad, God's nature demands this immediate, punitive response to sin, leaving no room for Job's lament of innocent suffering. It reinforces the idea of God as an active punisher, meticulously settling accounts.
Job 8 4 Bonus section
The tone of Bildad's accusation in Job 8:4 is notably blunt and insensitive, reflecting a lack of pastoral care towards a grieving parent. While his intention may have been to prompt Job to repent and find peace, his delivery inflicts further emotional pain by blaming the victims. This contrasts sharply with God's ultimate affirmation of Job's integrity (Job 42:7) and underscores the limitations of human wisdom when interpreting divine action and human suffering. It also reveals a theological arrogance, where the friends presumed to know God's exact reasons for Job's affliction when God himself later declares they did not speak rightly of Him.
Job 8 4 Commentary
Job 8:4 encapsulates a prevalent, yet flawed, theological framework present in the ancient world, often termed "retribution theology" or "divine causality." Bildad, one of Job's "comforters," rigidly applies this doctrine to Job's situation, asserting that divine justice meticulously ensures suffering is always a direct result of sin. The verse is remarkably harsh, placing the blame squarely on Job's deceased children for their own catastrophic end. Bildad's words reflect a theology that, while superficially appealing for its simplicity and sense of order in a chaotic world, fails to account for the complexities of suffering, grace, and divine providence. The book of Job ultimately dismantles this simplistic view, revealing that suffering is not always punitive for sin but can serve other divine purposes, or indeed, occur within the mysterious permissive will of God. This verse, therefore, stands as an example of misapplied biblical principles, illustrating the dangers of oversimplifying God's justice or using theological frameworks to accuse those who suffer. It highlights a common human tendency to seek easy answers to profound mysteries, particularly concerning pain and loss, rather than humbly resting in God's unsearchable ways.